Hitting that C...

topic posted Wed, January 25, 2006 - 11:03 AM by  "Shay"
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So I have a feeling I already know what the answer will be, but here goes.

I have short, stubby little fingers. *sigh* Okay, I know my reach will improve with time, and I am working on it. Already getting some decent callouses going, and my reach has improved with daily practice. But....

I can't transition to "C" to save my life. I am going along, playing everything else in my stumbling noob way, but when it comes to going from anything to C, those three fingers just can't get there unless I stop and strain at it.

One website I read made it sound like C was really easy. Another aknowledged the long reach, and suggested practicing getting the 4th and 5th string fingers in place first, then the second string in time. My hubby places them in a kind of roll from 2nd to 4th to 5th. None of this information seems to help me.

I am open to suggestions. I imagine it is tough to related info on actually playing in writing, but I am at a loss. I drill it every single time I sit down, trying transitions into and out of C with different chords, and I feel like I have made no improvement in a couple weeks now. So lemmie know if you ave any tips!
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    Re: Hitting that C...

    Wed, January 25, 2006 - 12:48 PM
    Put your hand on C. strum it a few times, and the slowly transition to another chord, (say G) then slowly back to C. The more you do this, the more your hand will get used to the stretch (my left had stretches further than my right now because of this). and as you go back and forth between different chords your hands will gain memory of the postions. In a year you wont remember having a hard time. really...
    • Re: Hitting that C...

      Wed, January 25, 2006 - 1:08 PM
      Well, sounds like I am doing the right thing.

      If we can get a little more nitty gritty...

      Do you suggest trying to put your hand in the position, and then place them simultaneously on all three strings? Or, like one website suggested, should I try to get the top two strings and work in the third string? Or peel them down, as my hubby does?

      I am definitely doing the slow slow slow move between two chords, but argh! It's my nemsis right now. LOL Bu I loves it, ah do.
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        Wed, January 25, 2006 - 1:33 PM
        Hi I'm 5'4 stubby fingers ....just keep it up ....mind to hand ....mind to hand ...even mentally when your away from guitar see yourself making the transition .....just image it ...I had to do that with Jazz chords on my electric......just picture the shapes of chords
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    Thu, January 26, 2006 - 8:31 AM
    you may also want to practice finger dexterity exercises without your guitar. the way i do this on my left hand is:
    tap thumb to middle finger
    tap thumb to pinky
    tap tumb to first finger
    tap thumb to ring finger

    then reverse it. don't worry about speed at first, just practice this to build your dexterity. you can also make up your own patterns. eventually you'll get really quick at it and find yourself doing it while waiting in line at the grocery store ;-) plus, it's a good way to practice without your guitar. i found these types of exercises enhance my ability to change fingering positions more smoothly and quickly.

    hope this helps.

    btw, i'm new here, hello all.
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      Thu, January 26, 2006 - 11:08 AM
      Thanks kali...

      I can do that pretty fast right now--I am a dancer, and my hands are a big part of the style we perform, so I do hand warm ups and exercises all the time. It's the *stretch* that is tougher, because I can stretch my fingers wide apart, but the specific *way* in which a guitar demands I stretch my hands is much harder!

      Practice practice practice. :)
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        Thu, January 26, 2006 - 11:16 AM
        Awww...and I was really tryin' to impress you.. :(
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          Thu, January 26, 2006 - 2:11 PM
          Practice slowly, until it hurts, then practice slowly until it hurts. I hate to tell you this, but it takes two or more years of steady practice to get to where you can just rip through cords with ease. If you practice, it will come. It's a journey and a fun one at that. There's a "hump" you get over at some point and things will start to get easier. Just stay with it.
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            Thu, January 26, 2006 - 4:25 PM
            I think that the jist is right but the timing is personal; I know for sure that the longer you spend practicing each day the faster you will learn. I was playing chords smotthly alter a year, and i had friends that were ripping it up after sixmonths. But yeah practice is the answer.
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              Thu, January 26, 2006 - 4:51 PM
              Now that I think back (it was WAY back!), I remember it was at about six months that I was able to go through the easy song books and hit most of the first positions chords. I couldn't strum or keep time for crap! Seems like it was about then that I started venturing into bar chords. I guess my advice would be the same though, just keep plugging away and it'll come to you.

              I still play lousey rock rhythm but can play pretty damn good lead on most anything. My good friend has been playing longer than me and plays like a stone statue. Stiff and ridgid. We all have our own good skill sets and are good at, or gonna be good at, something. Frustration comes from what we expect from ourselves and how we compare ourselves to other players. ubu

              That C chord may still be giving you trouble five years from now, but I bet you'll learn so many other techniques and chords that you won't even think about it. The first year or so is tough because EVERYTHING is a challenge. But soon, you'll look back and remember when you "couldn't do that".

              Just pick it up and play and love the sound your favorite chord makes. I, to this day, still love the first position G chord.
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                Thu, January 26, 2006 - 5:08 PM
                Me, too! G sounds so...complete to me. I will strum through 5 or 6 chords, and whenever I come back to G, it feels...complete. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's how it sounds to my ear.

                Thanks again everyone. Nobody ever wants to hear "just practice more". Not that I was looking for a shortcut, but if just doing it is the only way, do it I will.

                I am happy I am building callouses I can play much longer without yelping in pain! LOL
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                  Thu, January 26, 2006 - 5:44 PM
                  *but if just doing it is the only way, do it I will.*

                  I've taught several people how to play. I don't like to teach beginers because, really, for the first four to six weeks it's just "learn these chords and build your calleses". How fun is that!?
                  But if you can get over that hump and get to the point where you can muddle through those four or five chords that you've learned, it begins to have a compound effect. Where it took you six weeks of boring, tedious, over and over, pain on the figertips work to make a somooth chord transition, now only takes a few days to learn that Goo Goo Dolls song you've been wnating to learn.

                  One turns into two, two turns into four, and soon you have a 10 song set. Put a few sets together and you can start thinking about some gigs. It can happen!!!
  • Re: Hitting that C...

    Fri, May 19, 2006 - 11:13 PM
    Hi.. you will be able to strech your left hand fingers more.. Use a CAPO... All open chord shapes are movable up the neck if you use a capo... and there's a shorter distance between the frets... I'd suggest that you practise the C shape with a capo on the 5th fret and when you get better at it, move it down the neck... good luck :)
  • Re: Hitting that C...

    Mon, June 26, 2006 - 11:33 AM
    Where is your thumb (in relation to the fingerboard)? You may need to place your thumb at the very center of the (back of the) neck on order to reach some chords comfortably.
    • Re: Hitting that C...

      Mon, June 26, 2006 - 12:20 PM
      I have tried it all, and no luck yet. Just need to streeeetch. Am getting better, but still can't hit it with any speed.
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        Tue, June 27, 2006 - 6:28 PM
        It can take a while. Hang in there. One thing that would help would be to learn the C scale and practice that also. Scales are a good way to strengthen the wrist and build coordination in the fingers. Another tip is when making the chord, place your ring finger on the fret board first, then allow the index and middle to follow. The natural feeling is to place the index first and then the middle followd bly the ring. That's actually backwards since the bass note is the note most often struck first.

        But just have fun with it and remember, some people pick it up really fast and some have to work a little harder.
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          Tue, June 27, 2006 - 6:31 PM
          One more thing, it is ok to muff the E note (2nd fret 4th string, middle finger) since it's played on the open E string and completes the triad. ( C,E, G)
        • Re: Hitting that C...

          Tue, June 27, 2006 - 7:00 PM
          Thanks Hum!

          I guess I have been frustrated most becuase the other chords I was working with were so easy. I was strummin' in no time...but every freaking song I wanted to play had C in it, of course. So I could play parts of songs...Bleh!
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            Tue, June 27, 2006 - 7:29 PM
            I been playing for over thirty years and I still have trouble with the basic hammer on blues lick that's in ever blues song ever recorded. I can do it really fast but when I do a slow blues tune I just have to fake it and somehow it works. To me it sound like crap but no one else notices it. We tend to over analyze ourselves when we should keep the tempo and press on. It's really all about the rhythm tempo. Keep the beat!
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              Tue, June 27, 2006 - 10:27 PM
              Those are all good and helpful suggestions Hum. I like em so much I'm gonna put a pic of my dog in the snow as well. ( wow that kinda sounds sarcastic, but actually I'm not kidding) I think another good suggestion might be learning some tunes that utilize some variations of C-F-G as those (At least the way I learned em) have similar hand positions and should help give a newer player some sense memory of them. I have always thought that learning that F maj chord in the open position was the toughest for newbies. Its a prelude to barre chords and causes some pain, but once learned and then you see its the same as Emaj one step up opens a new world of what happens up the neck.
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        Wed, June 28, 2006 - 1:21 AM
        some vintage fenders have a skinny neck up top. i call it a baseball bat neck. it feels great because of the way it tapers.

        les pauls also have nice small necks
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    Wed, June 28, 2006 - 6:42 AM
    Here's another suggestion if you're still having trouble:

    Get your first two fingers into Am7 formation. Then practice getting your third finger as quickly as possible into that third-fret position on 5. Before long you'll be able to get it there without even thinking about it.

    You can also just play a B fingering on the third fret, or capo 3 and play an A, but that's kinda ignoring the problem...

    TT
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    Re: Hitting that C...

    Thu, September 28, 2006 - 1:32 PM
    I found this thread while trying to get advice on the same issue.

    Is your problem that, even without worrying about changing chords, that getting your fingers (especially the ring finger) on the proper strings so they sound clearly is a very difficult (and even a little painful) stretch?

    I just started trying to learn the guitar in late July, and had the same (or very similar) problem. My ring finger is shorter than my index finger, and my fingers don't stretch very wide, these differences were very noticable comparing my hand to people that thought the C chord was easy.

    Moving my thumb so it was in the middle of the neck instead of over the top helped some, but made every other chord more difficult. But what really let me finally get my left hand where it needed to so I could hit the C chord at least once in a while was repositioning the guitar so it rested on my left leg and the neck angled up so it was nearly level with my neck. Again, that position makes every other chord slightly more difficult to play, but at least the C chord is possible.

    Trying to rotate my wrist down so that the fingers come straighter down on the strings was another suggestion that I received, unfortunately, my hand simply does not do it to the extent I was shown.
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    Wed, January 31, 2007 - 8:46 AM
    i'm 5'5 - have short stubby fingers. ;) it's a matter of mind over matter - just keep practicing. :)
    i remember having big trouble playing the F and B-flat chords... took me a long time for that, as i recall.
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      Wed, January 31, 2007 - 9:42 AM
      I still don't play bar chords correctly, but then I play right-handed guitars left-handed. So I fret the top (E,B) strings with my index finger, the G with my middle, the D with my ring finger and then I don't play the other two. It works.

      TT
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        Thu, February 1, 2007 - 7:40 AM
        Whatever it takes. lol I knew a guy who could bar with his little finger and thats how he played the A position bar chords. He could play circles around me and most other guitarist too.
        • Re: Hitting that C...

          Fri, February 2, 2007 - 7:18 PM
          the first to fretted C on the A string and the fretted E on the D string and the open G are the chord so everything else is extra. the open G and the C fretted on the B string and the open high E string are also the chord (in an inverted order), but that's fine. what i'm getting at is the open position C chord is 2 C chords at the same time. if you can't yet reach well enough to play both at the same time then try playing one and the other and then going back and forth between the two halves until your fingers can reach both at the same time. if you need a quick fix in the meantime go for the C bar chord on the third fret and leave out the fretted note on the high E string.
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    Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:44 PM
    hey shay just to let you know I have a buddy who has small hands, i mean REALLY small hands, and this dude has been playing for about 10 yrs, (and it didnt take 10 yrs for him to get good either) but when I say he is good this dude shreds, really shreds. dont give up gorgeous and keep it up and like you said its practice, practice and more practice i am sure you have noticed mass improvements, but I swear to god that one day you are just going to get it and it will be like you have been doin it for ever keep rockin sweet tits...............

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