What a different quality makes...

topic posted Sun, January 15, 2006 - 2:42 PM by  "Shay"
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Hello all! I am a new member of this tribe (lurked a bit and joined it recently), and just picked up a guitar for the first time in this here 2006. A longtime promise to myself to learn it is now a reality, as I struggle with frets and sore fingertips and stretching my stubby little fingers for a simple Cmajor.

In my eagerness to get started (getting Guitar Hero for Christmas set it all in motion--funny, eh?), I swiped up a cheap guitar on Ebay. I picked the most intriguing color, paid no attention to brand or quality of any kind, and figured, "I just want to see if this is something I even want to do/invest in." Within a week I had my blue no-name guitar in hand.

The strings *hurt*. My hubby advised me (he was long ago gifted with a vintage electric he has fiddled with on and off over the years) that I should have waited to get a decent guitar, but that at this point, at least new strings would make a difference.

And he was right. I got myself some D'Addario silk n' steel, and instantly I was having an easier time playing. But still, this cheap guitar had a lovely buzz to it, and the full-sized body was giving my petite arm a rough go of it in the comfort department. But I was still determined to work at it with this cheap one, and "someday" I would get a better acoustic to replace it. Every day, two or three times a day, I would work on some simple chords and progressions. Ice the fingers, ache as I typed on my computer in my everyday work, file down my beautiful nails in order to get better contact with the strings-to-frets...only a couple weeks, but I was hooked in a big way.

When at the store purchasing the new strings, the man behind the counter had strolled me into the acoustics room and handed me a guitar. It was a small-body guitar, but will full size neck. It fit beautifully under my arm, and took little to no effort to get a beautiful sound. No buzzing. Lovely tone. I melted a little. When I got to my car I called my hubby immediately and told him I wanted to get that guitar. I knew we couldn't afford it that day, but I had high hopes that in the coming months...

But last night, he bought it for me. I took him to the store to show it to him, and he proffered it as an early Valentine's gift. He had planned to get it in February, but, as he said, "why wait a month when you could be playing it now?"

I HAD NO IDEA what a different a quality guitar makes. You don't have to spend a fortune, but a little attention to the recommendations here and other places online, and you can have yourself a sweet little guitar that will make playing not only sound better, but *feel* better.

My lovely little Cort Earth 72 is on its new stand right next to the fireplace. Her name is Marilyn, because she is blonde, curvy, and has a little beauty mark (tiny wood knot) on her "face". I shoulda listened when I was told a decent guitar would make playing easier, but luckily, the nature of "cheap" guitars is that I am not out much money. I am keeping Old Blue (the first guitar) as a back-up guitar, and for friends to play when they visit. Marilyn is aaaalll mine, and I am so grateful to my husband for gifting me such a beauty.

Moral of the story: don't cheap out on your guitar. Spend a little more, get a LOT more.
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    Sun, January 15, 2006 - 4:31 PM
    I'll add something I have learned; never buy a guitar you can't pick up and play. Guitars are not interchangable widgets; there are a lot of variables and they can add up to awesome or terrible. A while ago i was stuck in Newark NJ and went to a Music Box store on a snowy day and just played guitars. The guy at the counter was cool, and even though he knew I wasnt going to buy one, when I mentioned that I liked Taylors, he let me have free run of them. I played Taylors from $900 ($877 I think) to nearly two grand. The best one was a near baseline model (979$) and the dullest, thumpiest sounding one was 1700$. Now i see Taylors sold online (ie musicians friend) for a lot less then you pay in a store but you need to touch an instrument and see if it speaks to you before you buy.

    My own recent guitar purchace (baseline Ibenez, 150$) I liked more than some spendier guitars at Trade Up Music in Portland. It had a solid feel like it could handle the abuse i planned on giving it. My seagull needed a break from flying on airlines before her top split, and the ibenez is the one to pick up the slack.

    Neck playability are big issues too, and alot of new guitars come poorly setup with unfinished frets (even top of the line instruments are now coming with bad frets!) so that is another thing to look for.

    In my travels I have come across Martins, Gibsons and Godins that were all unplayable as set up in the store. A lot of these megamall palces know nothing about setting up or repairing instruments. Its a crime, because I think a thousand dollars should get you a gutar with an unblemished top (solid) well built box, smooth neck and hand-finished frets. My age must surely be showing here.
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      Mon, January 16, 2006 - 6:03 AM
      solid advice from duncan, i have one bit to add for La Tribaldancer if you really love your new guitar you'll keep it in the case, not on a stand next to the fireplace. i know it's tempting, to have it there on display where you can run in and gaze at it worshipfully, and have unfettered access to at every moment. but there is a major problem, in the winter the air is dry and the wood is going to shrink. the body and the neck will shrink more then the block inside where the neck joins with the body causeing a nasty hump to form above the 13th frett which will result in horrrible buzzing as you go up the neck. if you use the fireplace this will effect the guitar exponentually. there is also the risk that your guit will fall off the stand or damaged by falling objects like the time i left my taylor 314ce on a stand and was moving an amp that snagged a cable that knocked over a mike-stand and took a nice divet out of the finish. so please keep it in the case and get a sound hole humidifier to put in there a few times during the winter months
      happy frettting!!!!
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        Mon, January 16, 2006 - 7:44 AM
        hmm the trade off for keeping a guitar in a case is that its less likely to get played.

        I keep my gutars out, although not near a fireplace. The seagull was old when I got it and has lived its life on a stand. the soundhole humidifer would be a good idea in the chilly (and dry) north, but in ever-damp Oregon I dont use one.

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        Mon, January 16, 2006 - 11:42 AM
        Thanks for the tip, Theo. As for winters being drier, not so sure about that in Seattle. LOL More the other way around.

        It's funny, you are the *first* person to suggest a case instead of a stand for a new guitarist. In fact, the guys at the guitar shop even mentioned it when I was talking to them about whether to get a case or a stand--they said definitely a stand if I am not going to gigs with it (har har, not quite yet ;).

        Right now, it is less about gazing at it worshipfully (though...what were you doing in my living room all weekend!? *grin*), and more about ease of use. I have heard time and again to set it on a stand because you will keep it in your vision and therefore remember to practice more. I am all about that. My stand has a little rubber "lock" on it that keeps it in place, and I put it in the far corner. I have dogs, you see, and the thought that "out in the open" could translate into "crazy dog kicked my &$% guitar!" did cross my mind. So I am keeping my "dog proximity monitor" on high alert, but so far--it being in a corner they don't normally go--so good.

        Thanks for the tip, though. And where would one get a humidifier if that was really an issue?
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          Mon, January 16, 2006 - 4:04 PM
          Any decent music store should have humidifiers, although if you live in Seattle, I doubt you'll need one. Just keep it away from the fireplace if you use it a lot.
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            Mon, January 16, 2006 - 8:45 PM
            a humidifier is only really useful if used with a guitar inside a case. and in seattle you don't really need to worry about it like we do hear new york's hudson valley so don't bother with cases and humidifiers and start saveing your pennies to get the guitar of your dreams some day...
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              Thu, January 19, 2006 - 1:45 AM
              Oooooo, okay lots of helpful info here,
              I am ready to pick a guitar up. Had to promise to finish college first as I am easily distracted. The time has come! Want to learn from La Tribaldancers mistake . . .
              BUT! As a single woman, I have to tell you how I imagine going into one of those local music stores.

              I would like to have something that fits me but have no idea what that means. And would like quality, but how am I to tell? As someone mentioned above, some of the less expensive models sounded the best?

              I just see this whole shopping for a guitar thing equivelant to showing up at a car dealer. Any hints on not looking so eager and green?

              Olivia
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                Thu, January 19, 2006 - 11:50 AM
                I was totally worried about that, too, Olivia. "Oh here comes the poseur!" I could just hear them saying. And the shop I went to seemed to cater a lot to the Seattle "scene"--the clubs. But when I got there, they were very nice, and literally handed me the best thing for me. And I couldn't be happier.

                My advice, for what it is worth, is this:

                Do a little research online. This forum alone has a few threads on inexpensive guitars with good quality. So you are armed with at least a little knowledge.

                Look up a few guitar shops--often times there is a shop that caters to acoustic guitar players, from what I understand. I know there were a few here in my town.

                Start going to them, and don't stop until you find a place that feels good to you, and where the staff seems knowledgable and helpful, and not salesy. Don't be afraid to walk out if you feel uncomfortable.

                Buy the guitar that resonates with you, not what they try to push on you. Use that little research you did, so you have some brand-name recognition to call on.

                Hopping to a few shops also gives you the chance to comparison shop for price. But in the end, buy from a place where you felt comfortable going, and not necessarily who has the best price (so long as the margin isn't insanely wide, of course). Why? Because if you find this is a hobby you will be sticking with, you will want a relationship with a shop that is going to help you move forward as your skills, and buying needs, progress.

                That is all I have. Obviously there are many more experienced folks out there, but this is my take as a newbie like you!
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                  Thu, January 19, 2006 - 3:45 PM
                  yeah totally, go to the stores in your area a bunch of times and don't be afraid to pick up every guitar in the place and plunck away on it even if you don't know how to play any thing. play single notes and a few moveable chords all the way up and down the neck. does it fell comfortable in your hands? does it spreak to you? look down the neck, is it straight? look carefully at the way the different parts are joined. play some high end guitars to get an idea of what the possibilities or as far as tone and playability. taylor has recently introduced a more affordable guitar that has a solid spruce top with laminated back and sides for around $550 and they sound better then some guits that are twice the price.definitely try out the seagulls there are some nice ones that i think are just under $300. oh yeah, some inexpensive guits have laminated tops you don't want this, you'll get much better tone from a solid top, if the back and sides are laminated that can be ok. i've also noted that it seems that guits that have a really thick glossy finish seem to generally have a deader tone. what's you price range???
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                    Thu, January 19, 2006 - 11:45 PM
                    Is it rediculous to say $500 on a first guitar? That's my budget, but wonder if I need something that expensive until I get to know me and how I will play.

                    Thanks for all the info.
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                      Fri, January 20, 2006 - 6:55 AM
                      If you have 500, spend five hundred. You can get some awesome boxes for 500$. Take a guitar playing friend with you and have them play each guitar for you. It is best if you like the way they play and if their hands are the same size. Ask them about how the guitar feels to play, and listen to the diffrent types of sounds. The biggest sound diffrence is between ceder and spuce tops, but every brand, even every individual instrument has its own sound. Find the guitar that speaks to you.

                      I remember the first good guitar I got (I had been playing 3 years) trippled my guitar playing time per day. why wait three years. Having enough money to buy a good guitar for your first in very fortunate, and I would encourage you to take advantage of your good fortune.

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                        Fri, January 20, 2006 - 7:59 AM
                        All this la-dee-da talk of pricey guitars, strings, humidifiers and exotic wood...and there isn't a Django or Kottke or Robert Johnson among us...I sincerely doubt if any of us owns a single signature lick...we've lost something here folks. I guess you can liken us to a guy who owns a formula I race car...keeps it nice and shiny...tunes it up with all the latest tech and never goes over the speed limit.

                        -FK
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                          Fri, January 20, 2006 - 8:05 AM
                          Aren't we just a ray of sunshine today
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                            Fri, January 20, 2006 - 8:16 AM
                            Hey man...I'm holding up a mirror...I guess you don't like what you see.
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                              Fri, January 20, 2006 - 8:20 AM
                              actaully I kind of think your comment was uncalled for as it really doesn't relate to me, I have a guitar I got for $100 just play for enjoyment, and have never claimed to be kotke or the like, I just like to play. Who care if a beginner gets a 500 or more guitar as long as they play.

                              by your logic it seems that no one should ever buy a fist guitar because they can't be as good as the best so why bother.
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                                Fri, January 20, 2006 - 8:40 AM
                                No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I think a beginner should get the best quality he can afford.
                                What I'm saying is that for the greats I mentioned, it was about the music, they lived the life and it showed in their music...for them, the guitar they happened to play was merely incidental.
                                In those days there were probably a small handful of Guitar shops scattered throughout the U.S. in the large cities.
                                Now every McStripmall has got a sam ash or the like that carries a full range of McGuitars to fit every budget ( the good stuff always behind the counter) and all the little accessories being hawked by legions of unwashed, peirced, pimple faced pricks who don't know shit.
                                Listen in on a gathering of 'guitarists'...what are they discussing?...music perhaps?...No...GUITARS. They're all tech whizzes, and they all give 'lessons' on how to play other peoples shit with the same cold, canned precision.

                                -FK
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                              Fri, January 20, 2006 - 10:23 AM
                              Look in your own mirror fish boy. My best guitar cost me 160$ that I scraped and saved for by mowing peoples lawns and cleaning out their garages on thee weekends while working full time. That seagull (used) traveled with me until her top started to split. She now rests at home and a plywood ibenez travels with me. I would f*cking wish that i had 500$ for a guitar, but instead of being jelous or bitter with olivia, I am happy for her, happy that she can learn without deiling with bad action, fret buz, crappy pegs that slip, warped necks, cardboard cases all the other crap I went through.

                              And secondly fish-boy, I could give a rats ass about "signature licks", how great i am or whether or not I am in the same leauge as Robert Johnson (cause I am not). I play because the world can be a sad and ugly place, and playing music, any music makes it just a little more beautiful, a little less scary and ugly. Music is a candle in the darkness of the human condition, and I let that candle burn, and try and pass that fire on to others if i can in some small way. simple words, such as "hey that is great", or "you can get a great guitar for that', or "your practicing is making a difference in your playing" help people who are trying to learn.

                              i would postulate that your view of musicianship is tainted by the world of recording. Before recording, before radio, most people played an instrument, some well, others less so. Now so many people think "why should I learn to play if I can play like (Johnson/Clapton/Glimore etc etc.). The truth is that we are not all going to be guitar legends, but that with time and effort we can make music and make our voices heard and add light into the darkness. To me that is what really matters.
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                                Fri, January 20, 2006 - 10:48 AM
                                ::i would postulate that your view of musicianship is tainted by the world of recording. Before recording, before radio, most people played an instrument, some well, others less so. Now so many people think "why should I learn to play if I can play like (Johnson/Clapton/Glimore etc etc.). The truth is that we are not all going to be guitar legends, but that with time and effort we can make music and make our voices heard and add light into the darkness. To me that is what really matters::

                                If that's all that really matters then why the long rambling thread(s) on 'quality'?
                                The problem is not in the lack of people picking up the guitar out of intimidation...the problem is too many assholes thinking that they are going to lay down the bucks for the signature model and bypass the music to become a star.
                                Gotta love the internet...a little bitch like you can sit up there in your log cabin with the rest of the McHipppies and fatmouth someone like me...I live in Jersey City...give me a shout if your passing through...Duncan? (cringe)

                                -FK
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                                  Fri, January 20, 2006 - 11:09 AM
                                  Hey fish boy,

                                  I am not in a cabin in the woods, (I wish), but at work in Freeport Texas on a ship (well actually we are in port today but I have been at work ever day since dec10th) I have been to Jersey City (worked last winter in Newark/Pt Elizabeth/Bayonne NJ). So you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I work 160 days a year at sea, work 12-hour days, seven days a week, and 99.9% of my money goes to my house (which I have because I have a kid) and my kid (via CS). So how bout you GFY? You dont know who I am or what I do, you made an assumption looking at my picture and your dead-ass wrong. All I know about you tried to hijack this thread to vent your splean. And if I were in Jersey City I wouldnt look you up because you would be a waste of my time. I work hard and when I am done, i go home to spend time with my kid, play my guitar and be with my friends.

                                  Also if you had looked, earlier when someone asked about a cheap guitar, I offered suggestions on that. The truth of the matter is that quality costs. the more money you got, the more quality you get. Olivia has money, and she can use it to get quality. Good for her.

                                  and talk about fatmouthing? you got on here and dissed everyone and then you get bitchy when you someone calls you on it. I am here to get information that other players might have found, to get their opinions on equpment and share the information i have. Youre just here to moan and complain.

                                  OK I am done. To everyone else on this tribe.:

                                  I am sorry I fed the troll (twice). I apologize. I will endevour to refrain from troll-feeding in the future.

                                  Duncan
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                                    Fri, January 20, 2006 - 11:18 AM
                                    Hey Duncan...

                                    I don't give a shit where you are or how hard you work at what for a living, nor do I care what you do in your spare time.
                                    I posted to this thread to point out that far too many people who pick up the guitar quickly fall into the trap of becoming unduly concerned with equipment.
                                    Did I use strong language?...yes. Did I get personal or abusive with anyone in particular?...No...you did.

                                    -FK
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                                      Fri, January 20, 2006 - 11:33 AM
                                      you dissed everyone, made gross overgenralazations and then got pissy when people went back at you. You play hard ball then scream like Nancy Kerrigan wen you get hit. Then you make assumptions about me and cry when i correct you. What do you want? Play nice or not? Make up your mind. Afmit that you busted on here, behaved like an asshat and the when every single person corrects you you get pissy. I called you out because you are being a dick. Dont like to get called out? Dont be a dick.

                                      Shit I fed the troll again... sorry.

                                      Hey Fishboy, if you want to continue this conversation why not lets do it in private (as in p-mail me). Or is you want you can have the last word and we can move on.... Ok so here you go, say whatever you like and you can feel all self rightous and special because you got the last word in.... here you go, have at:
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                                        Fri, January 20, 2006 - 11:41 AM
                                        You know Duncan...for a guy who works so long and hard you sure have alot of time to sit on your ass and hissyfit me...shouldn't you be swabbing a deck?...or maybe be with your kid, or your friends...or...I think Frank Zappa said it best: "Shut up and play yer guitar!"

                                        -FK
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                                  Fri, January 20, 2006 - 6:30 PM
                                  "The problem is not in the lack of people picking up the guitar out of intimidation...the problem is too many assholes thinking that they are going to lay down the bucks for the signature model and bypass the music to become a star.

                                  What the hell does this have to do with this thread AT ALL?

                                  If you're bitter, go be bitter elsewhere. I was writing about what a difference it was for me, a beginner who knows nothing (and happy to admit it--I'll learn), to have a decent guitar instead of the lowest end I could scrape up on Ebay.

                                  And so far, the feedback here has been really positive, supportive, and uplifting. That is, until you came along with god knows what up your @$$ deciding to share your view of the music world. You are way out of left field, and I don't understand why you felt the need to unleash your fury here. I don't get how it ties in--folks were being helpful and passing along good info. Why does that threaten you so...?
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                                Fri, January 20, 2006 - 10:54 AM
                                a good guitar is a good guitar, and a guitar that sucks ass and doesnt stay in tune and is difficult to play is a guitar that sucks ass doesnt stay in tune and is difficult to play.it isn't a status symbol it's a guitar...i dont see how hostility is helpful to our friend who is trying to navigate the difficult world of buying her first guitar, a situation we have all been through (exept for fish boy who is perfectly happy with guitars that suck ass, more for you pal). and again duncan is right on. say you going to put down almost $300 on an axe after you play for a year you are going to play a $500 guitar and you'll say to your self wow if i had just waited a while saved another 2 bills and i'd be totally set. the other route is the under $200 catagory where you'll have to know what your looking for, and test out a lot of them to find a decent one. but their definitely out there. do you have any friends that play? if you do they can be very helpful with testing out in the store.
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                                Fri, January 20, 2006 - 6:33 PM
                                "i would postulate that your view of musicianship is tainted by the world of recording. Before recording, before radio, most people played an instrument, some well, others less so. Now so many people think "why should I learn to play if I can play like (Johnson/Clapton/Glimore etc etc.). The truth is that we are not all going to be guitar legends, but that with time and effort we can make music and make our voices heard and add light into the darkness. To me that is what really matters. "

                                Thank you! You have summed up what guitar playing is for me right now. Just a simple joy. Tying myself back to a musical past I lost (used to play piano and sing all my life...but I don't have music in my life right now and I want to have it back). Enjoying strumming simple chords with my husband instead of turning on the TV every free moment. We are sharing a journey that doesn't have some goal--we have no aspirations to be a famous performer. We just want to play. The success is in the trying, after all!
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                      Fri, January 20, 2006 - 12:42 PM
                      As I said above in my first post, I got a Cort Earth 72 for $199. I had no idea I could spend that little and get a good guitar, but this is one of those you wouldn't know about unless you ask. I found recommendations on discussion forums for this guitar, and the guys at the shope handed it me and highly recommended it. Among all the more expensive they could have pushed at me to make a sale, they handed me this one. Full sized, but with a smaller body which is great for my shorter arms, great sound...it was everything I wanted. And at less than I thought I would have to spend. Yeehaw!
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                        Sun, January 22, 2006 - 2:49 AM
                        we haven't heard back from olivia, hopefully she's at the store trying them all out, and hasn't been scarred of by that raving lunatic...
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                          Tue, January 24, 2006 - 9:04 AM
                          Me? Scared off by a raving lunatic?!?!?!?! HA! Not a chance!
                          I'm a psych nurse. He's just pissed about something that makes him passionate. Let him rant. Look at the picture he chose to announce himself. He's rough. Macho? A fighter and proud of it? He's probably young (I didn't look at his bio) and if not, then just an idiot not to know well enough to go start his own thread on that particular subject.

                          No feeding the troooooolllllllsssss!!!! Someone help him out and go start a thread real fast about people like me with a bit o' pocket change (which was saved through college in a little jar, mind you!chuckle) , who think that they are going to go buy something "expensive?" so that I can become the next American Idol. Oh and without any blood sweat and tears or respect for the millions of music fathers, I'm sure.

                          Besides, chances are he's enjoying all the attention he's getting. I'm new here, but I'm guessing in this type of community and with as many wierdos with time on their hands; there has got to be people who post just because they enjoy getting folks britches all tied up.

                          The best solution? Back to TribalDancers original thread,eh?! chuckle.

                          I just want to be able to play along. Feel it on the inside. Stomp out what's in my noggin', ya know? I had a guy in my life a long time ago several thousands of miles away that used to talk about what TribalDancer was talking about in her original post and I wanted to expand on that.
                          To answer someones question - nope, no one around to ask to go with me. At the mercy of the shop boys I guess!

                          Actually, FISHERKING!!!!! I'll ask you? Any recommendations for a gal going out to find her first guitar?

                          -Olivia
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                            Tue, January 24, 2006 - 9:07 AM
                            Just go down to the local mom and pop guitar shop, tell them you have never played, and what styles you would like to play.

                            they'll set you up, and if you want, will probably offer lessons their too.

                            avoid places like guitar center they really aren't much help
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                              Wed, January 25, 2006 - 5:58 AM
                              Oh I just thought of really good beginner guitar, the taylor big baby. i believe it is 15/16 scale of a dreadnought, the body is thinner and it plays really nicely.
                              It lists around $400. a friend of mine has one, and it is a pretty descent guitar.
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                            Tue, January 24, 2006 - 11:15 AM
                            Ill offer my picks:

                            I love seagull guitars. I think that the ceder top seagull have a great sound for the money.
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                              Wed, January 25, 2006 - 9:39 AM
                              bring a note pad with you to the store ,write down models and prices, don't give the salesman the sense that you could make an impulse buy.tell him you are a beginner researching what to get and that after hearing and seeing what they have you are going to talk to your guitar player friends and see what they think. then go home and check a website called "harmony central" they have a ton of consumer reviews,very useful...and duncan is right definitely check out sea gulls in the just under $300 range they are an exellent choice...
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                              Wed, January 25, 2006 - 1:35 PM
                              Seagulls are great and I just got a jumbo yamaha cheap off e-bay ..I'll post the pic of it
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                                Mon, January 30, 2006 - 9:34 AM
                                Well, I was out of town for a while - thanks for all the posts. Especially your comment Fisherking! I already know how to crochet (most girls do after oooh say 8 years old) and you gave me the outstanding idea to get started on a huge crocheted bag for my guitar; for when I am traveling around Alaska becoming the next big star. It'll be perfect! And if I have any left over yarn, I'll crocet you a scarf. You can wrap it around your neck and get it over with. :)

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