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so-called “Guitar legend” Esteban was stripped of his legendary status this week when it was discovered that he is an entirely fictional character created specifically to sell pressboard guitars in infomercials.
Allan Holdsworth, guitar legend and president of “Real Guitar Legends For Truth” released a statement on Monday calling for the immediate cessation of all applications of the appellation “Guitar legend” to the television character known as “Esteban”. According to the statement, “Esteban is a fictional character created by L.A. session guitarist Dan Fernaueu for the express purpose of marketing a cheap, poorly constructed guitar-like instrument on the Home Shopping Channel.”
The scandal intensified when the Recording Academy revealed that claims that “Esteban” had won “several Grammys” were false.
These charges come on the heels of last month’s statement from the Musical Instrument Manufacturers Association that the “Esteban” guitar could not, in fact, be classified as an actual guitar due to the fact that it is constructed out of reclaimed materials such as discarded telephone directories and medical waste. The MIMA demanded that the instrument be classified as a toy
Allan Holdsworth, guitar legend and president of “Real Guitar Legends For Truth” released a statement on Monday calling for the immediate cessation of all applications of the appellation “Guitar legend” to the television character known as “Esteban”. According to the statement, “Esteban is a fictional character created by L.A. session guitarist Dan Fernaueu for the express purpose of marketing a cheap, poorly constructed guitar-like instrument on the Home Shopping Channel.”
The scandal intensified when the Recording Academy revealed that claims that “Esteban” had won “several Grammys” were false.
These charges come on the heels of last month’s statement from the Musical Instrument Manufacturers Association that the “Esteban” guitar could not, in fact, be classified as an actual guitar due to the fact that it is constructed out of reclaimed materials such as discarded telephone directories and medical waste. The MIMA demanded that the instrument be classified as a toy
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Mon, December 5, 2005 - 5:27 PMLMAO!
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somehow, I think we all knew this was garbage from the git-go
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Mon, December 5, 2005 - 7:45 PMYIKES!! To think I actually held one those "guitars" in my bare hands!!! UNCLEAN!!! -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 2:09 PMI saw what looks like a new Estaban infomercial today. It looked like he was playing a concert at Red Rocks ampitheatre in Colorado. He was hawking a new black version of "The Best Guitar I've ever played". In a quick closeup you could see the cheap finish on the thing. I also noticed that during the "concert" that he played nothing but chords with the band, no soloing at all. -
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Sat, December 17, 2005 - 10:42 PMyou mean the one he compares it to? because it's the same as the other one. it's an identical copy of the new and improved medical-waste-with strings-machine. lol watch the commercial closely. he doesn't keep them. he pawns them off on innocent children on the receiving end of HSN or QVC or whatever, and slaps together 2 more for each new shoot. -
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Sat, December 17, 2005 - 10:43 PMthat came out wrong. watch to see that they're both just the crap ones. the second half of that was supposed to be separate. -
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Sun, December 18, 2005 - 4:11 PMwe have a fake president and fake guitars we therefore must have fake guitar gods to worship wiht our fake hearts and(whoops)real money! -
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 7:17 AMOh I don't know. Of all history this is my all time favorite President and Vice Presedent. The crap people smear around about him is nothing but made up shit that liars keep repeating till the intellectually slothful and stupid simply believe it.
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 2:52 PMAll hail Estaban...
You know, Red Rocks is a great place, a natural acoustic ampitheater where, among others, the Beatles played.
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 3:21 PMWatch this show closely -- that audience is NOT watching what they're filming. Most likely they were brought in earlier for a different show and then sent home.
The show is mixed so poorly that you can tell nobody's in the audience when the host and Esteban are speaking. Also, I'm not TOTALLY sure about this but ALL of the music may have been pre-recorded.
(I used to write and produce infomercials so I know all the tricks!)
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 10:38 AMDo I actually GOTTA watch that moron?? Please Please tell me I can have a pass on that.
Sveet baby jeebus just the thought of hearing that moron pluck out three notes of a fake flaminco uhhhh.
Anyway what's the deal with the MEDICAL WASTE thingie?
That'd be scrap needles and plastics too. Referring to his fab tune machine as recycled material might be a better way to say it. Even Martin couldn't get sound from their recucled materials efforts and you just know Martin worked hard to keep the glue to a minimum.
Anyway here is my take.
Anyone who will actually purchase that thing probably deserves it. After all, it'd take 'em about 10 minutes of searching to land on Epiphone Yamaha even Harmony as pretty fair introductory instruments realizing in the process that QVC isn't the "go to" place for high art.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 10:52 AM"Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers."
I've seen people buying guitars at Wal-Mart. People with NO clue. I've come to the conclusion that people will buy ANYTHING!
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:47 PMThe medical waste probably replaces some resin used with the pressed fiberboard...totally 3rd world stuff.
I'm not saying estaban is a good or bad guitar player because I've only seen him playing as I flipped thru the channels.
But this is a typical American theme...the setup, the pitch, and the catch.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:58 PMJust think of all the lonely guitars hanging in pawn shops across the land that are far more playable and built better that are in the in the same price range. Hidden gems.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:23 PMLeather pants! And don't forget the hair.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 7:06 AM>>>But this is a typical American theme...the setup, the pitch, and the catch.
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Stop stop stop. Typical American?? You ever heard a sales pitch in Russia, or any of the slavic nations, or China or Japan or England or Germany or - well - any damn place where some folks have some money to spend and others want to get it?
It's not "American" it's universal. Please stop hating America, please, it's so pointless, you might as well hate everyone and that's no use either.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 9:01 AMI second that. I deal with sales reps from Europe a lot and those guys are evil! The damn Chinese will steal it from you and sell it back at half the price.
The sales pitch goes back before biblical times, we didn't invent it and we're really quite tame and probably more honest than most countries. You can't fart in this country without offending some one. There's a lawer behind every tree.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 10:51 AMI don't hate America. I love it...It's just so typical to create a guy to sell widgets...especially LA based.
I also seriously doubt if the USA has the most regulated advertizing....Most is false.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 11:13 AMIn the 1950s Mickey Mantle advertised Chesterfield Ciggarettes, claiming they gave him the extra strength he needed to hit home runs.
Estaban is no different than those idiots selling "Make Money Doing Nothing" scams. He's just going after a different crowd. Anybody dumb enough to fall for that stuff gets what they deserve.
What I find strange is, that there are that many people buying guitars.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 2:48 PMYAh OK I get it. I'm sort of sensitive to people letting their politics spill all over the place then being mean angry and quarrelsome about it.
There's tribes dedicated to that.
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Sat, December 31, 2005 - 12:14 PMI saw where Estaban is branching out with car insurance, too.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:26 AMHey cliff I dont know what you mean about Epi being and intro instrument . It is made by the same company that makes Gibson . So i think your clueless and dont know what your talking about . He has been playing longer than you have been alive . Lol . I have a matin and did a test for Estaban guitar . I played one and recorded it and the played the other and recorded it . I mixed up the tapes and you could not figure wich one was wich . So these goes to show you are stupid also . From Dr. Dave
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:28 AMYe right Tom and Im the president of the USA . You need to put money in your mouth and chew. Estaban did hold a concert out in Red Rocks . I have a ticket stub . Look at my other forum replys and you fall into a category I have stated before. From Dr. Dave -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:01 PMI used to see him at the Hyatt in scottsdale and that is very true he is an amazing guitarist an would blow any of these JOKERS away it wouldn't even be a challenge trust me this this dude fuckin RIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thu, February 21, 2008 - 6:17 PM> Of all history this is my all time favorite President and Vice Presedent.
But... "made up shit that liars keep repeating till the intellectually slothful and stupid simply believe it" is EXACTLY what these two ass clowns do best !
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:31 AMAdmiral green , Wow please read my forum reply farther down . You really fall into this stupid category . LMAO . LOL . !!!! From Dr. Dave -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 9:01 AMDave must work for the estaban scammers -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 2:23 PMNo rik your wrong so how long have you played guitar hum maybe a few years . You dont know anything about guitars . Just admit it. Come on you can do it . Dr. Dave
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 9:58 PMYOUR A FRICKIN IDIOT. AND DONT KNOW YOUR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND...............................
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Sun, January 14, 2007 - 11:04 PMand to think i was actually going to buy that stuff for my kids god im glad i came here first.
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 10:02 AMEstaban is actually a fabulous spanish guitar playing. He has played for years in Phoenix/Scottsdale and other places. He has excellent music recorded. I personally think that people that have time to criticize others need to find something better to do with thier life. Any businesses or TV shows that are interested in promoting anyone or any product do major research to check the authenticity of the product or person. -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 10:46 AMSo your the girl in the infomercial. Just kidding. Somewhere down in this post some one says the same thing. Buy, hey when you do something so blatantly fraught with every sleazy underhanded marketing technique known to mankind, people are going to see right through it. Those infomercials are downright comical and totally unbelievalbe. What I don't get, is how anybody would actually fall for it. -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 3:42 PMi just want to know where i can get a black leather zoro hat so i can look as cool as estaban!!!! then you wont even notice what a shitty guitar player i am -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 3:56 PMI'll get you one for only six easy payments of 26.95 per month. And I'll throw in these lovely guitar picks for absolutly FREE! AND, if you act now, you can get these stylish sunglasses for only 9.95. -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 8:54 PMWell shit, thanks Ana for setting us straight.
Obviously no one here knows enough about guitar playing to be able to tell if the Mighty Esteban is Segovia reincarnated or just some hack they dredged up to sell shitty guitars to people who know even less than we do.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING?
Oh wait, just noticed you have no picture, friends, or other Tribes.
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 9:00 PMOh yeah one more thing..
OF COURSE all businesses and TV shows check people out to be sure they're on the up and up. One NEVER hears about phonies or scammers in business or on TV.
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Wed, January 11, 2006 - 5:09 AM
Some thoughts:
I don’t trust anyone without a surname ( sting, Madonna, esteban)
I don’t trust anyone who wears shades indoors, except the blind.
I don’t trust booze-soaked waspy guys with latin names…like ‘esteban’
I thoroughly despise the entire concept of ‘HSN’ and all other mass-marketing.
All that notwithstanding…
A spendy instrument does not necessarily make a good musician.
Hendrix learned on a souvenir shop ukulele , Bo Diddley played his first gig
( a barbecue) with a contraption made from a cigar box and most of the old
Mississippi delta bluesman played cheap guitars, largely the ‘harmony’ line from sears and roebuck.
So…esteban and his backers are indeed scumbags,
But…I think that any of the greats mentioned could have gotten away with playing his shitty guitars.
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Thu, December 7, 2006 - 9:10 PMWow, and to think me and J. Beck first played on El Producto cigar boxes and rubberbands. It's a year later and Zorro is still peddeling guitars and his clones are still selling Martins and Gibsons for thousands to purchase these pieces of shiit for 2 Franklins. I will give him the fact, that his hands on close view, appear to have been troubled. However, don't exploit your disability to make your jack. Why not do a concert with someone from the Musicians Institute ( otherwise as GIT) down in LA or with me to break those shinny acrylic nails. -
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Thu, December 7, 2006 - 9:21 PMEsteban, American politics, and cigar box guitars.
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Fri, December 8, 2006 - 8:59 AMfortunately for me , i never watch TV.....as it has been entertaining reading this topic, i have never heard of Estaban until just now.....sounds like i'd appreciate the comedic value of watching one of the infomercials,.,.. -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:06 PMI've never heard of it, but I want one now:) -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:25 PMA G.S.O., or "guitar shaped object" for the living room wall.... -
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Thu, December 14, 2006 - 8:23 PMAs a guy who loves really good guitars, and owns a few, I would like to try one of his just ot see what they're like. I happened to see his latest info-mercial where he details the wood and the manufacturing process, and it doesn't look that bad. I'm not going to buy one, but Id sure like to try one.
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Fri, December 15, 2006 - 3:21 PMA friend had unfortunately bought one before I could advise him not to. Its about what you'd expect from a poorly made under $100 guitar. An unpleasant tone, bad intonation, wouldn't hold tune; something more likely to keep a new player from really advancing in any skill or ear development. It was kinda shiny though... -
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Fri, December 15, 2006 - 3:57 PMLike I said, I wouldn't buy one! Shiny huh? I like shiny..... -
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 12:22 PMHa! I just was over at "Guitar Players" Tribe and in the upper right corner was an ad for you-know-who!! Maybe he dosen't advertise here because of this thread! Haw haw haw -
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 2:57 PMidunno about you guys but the second i smell the mink oil on that leather zorro hat i'm gonna run.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:16 AMAdmiral green , My dear friend I think your one also that dont know about instruments . If a guitar is shipped and Tuned without truss rod adjustment it will sound like crap . If you had a 1,000 dollar guitar and shipped it also . It would have the same problem . Well look at my forum reply you might fall into this category . From Dr. Dave -
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Thu, February 21, 2008 - 6:28 PM> I think your one also that dont know about instruments . If a guitar is
> shipped and Tuned without truss rod adjustment it will sound like crap .
First you have to HAVE a truss rod, genius. lmao
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Tue, December 26, 2006 - 8:55 PMI just got one of these guitars as a Christmas gift, and it sounded fine. I haven't played it much, but I tuned it and played some chords. It sounded decent. I am unsure why you claim this man is a "fictional" character, considering if you go to CD NOW; you can find 19 albums of his for sale. I highly doubt a marketing company would go through all of that work, recording albums and making them appear to be a fictional character's career work--just to sell some guitars. It would cost more money and take more time to do all of that to make someone appear to be real, and the payback would not even be worth it.
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Wed, December 27, 2006 - 8:21 AMI saw him on TV the other night playing clssical style christmas music. He's actually pretty damn good. Over in another tribe, there was a guy who remembered seeing him play years back in Phoenix. He said he was an amazingly good guitarist before his accident.
I think what's going on here is just the image factor resulting from doing cheezy infomercials. A solid spruce top guitar with a rosewood fret board will start at about 400 bucks these days and he's offering them for a lot less. He's cut out the middle man and directly importing them from the manufactuer to the distribution center. That cuts his cost buy about 200 percent. I'm sure the quality can't be compared to a Martin or top of the line Taylor, but it's probably no worse than any other of the shelf Yamaha or Alverez. I'm sure Estaban is laughing all the way to the bank and could care less what we think.
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Wed, December 27, 2006 - 8:22 AMCorrection>>>>> Ebony fretboard.
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Mon, January 1, 2007 - 6:37 PMHi all,
New guy from florida.
I been playin proffesionally for 25 years. My brother in laws girl bought him an estaban....... dude....PIECE OF SHIT!!!!! I cant say if it has medical waste but it sounds like ass bad intonation, buzzes in spots, no way to adjust or set it up. worse than Johnson or First act. -
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Tue, January 2, 2007 - 2:12 PMi saw one this guy brought in to a music store i was at and he was asking the guitar repair guy there if he thought it was any good. he was a beginner and just wanted to know if he got ripped off or not. the guitar tech was nice to him and said it was ok but definitely not a great deal. i looked over and checked it out, now i didn't play it but from what i could see as far as the action and the construction.... well lets just put it this way i was impressed what they can do with a little medical waste and cardboard these days.
i smell the mink oil (cue Benny Hill chase music)
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:10 AMHey Steve read my reply to you . You could not be a true musician . Are you one of the stupid I talk about in my forum reply read farther below your post please and youll know where your classified as. From Dr, Dave
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 8:06 AMWell I bought the legacy lengend guitar . It was shipped in 3 days . I have been a guitar player for 30 years . I have played since 12 years old. I have played many guitars. The Guitar was not tuned so . I tuned the guitar . Well it had guitar buzz and humm . Well if any guitar player knows when a guitar is shipped from a long distance it will have to be adjusted through the trust rod . This will straighten the neck to take out the buzz. Also any repair person would know that too. Any for this idiot Allan Holdsworth stated it was made out of medical waiste . I laugh at him . By law the manufacturer has to advise consumers to of the material containing medical waiste. Even if it was made in another country . I feel all you people that commented on that part of the forum is very gullable or are completely stupid. After I adjusted the truss rod it was completely fine. Well made guitar . People need to listen to people that know about the product . Holdsworth is a made up President of a small company and not a billion dollar company . so listen to the stupid and I may call you stupid also . Also when you buy the guitar in the directions it does state because of shipping you may have to adjust the truss rod . So you stupid people who bought this fine guitar and do not read directions . Well can you call yourself S. T . U . P . I . D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sincerely Dr. Dave -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 9:22 AMI'm not stupid, or "gullable", but I am suspicious of someone with no photos, no friends, no Tribes (except this one) and only a basic Borat-like grasp of the English language with such strong opinions throwing out insults left & right.
Esteban, is that you? Masqueradeding as "Dr. Dave"?
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 2:27 PMYe he totally rips farts dude . He is at the bottom . Not the top of the music chain . So dude find your car and drive away . You dont know what your talking about . So pull up your panties little boy and quit crying over your spilt milk . Ok . Estaban has credentials out there . So prove him wrong stupid . Like I said before . Dr. Dave -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:12 PMit seems like to me dr. dave thes guys bought the guitar and are blaming that it sucks because they dont put any time and effort into learnig how to play, learn how to play then buy a nice resinating sounding guitar like a vintage martin or such. it is plain and simple these guys suck. and have no hand, eye and ear coordination. plain and simple they should have rented a guitar first before they went out and bought one and got pissed that THEY WILL NEVER LEARN HOW TO PLAY TO IMPRESS THE CHICKS. leave that shit up to me and Davey here......
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 2:33 PMHey nels / Whats up dude . Heres my pic . ok man Im an old guitarist from and 80's band called Black Diamond. And I know what im saying dude . Dr. Dave -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 6:51 PMdid this guy with no friends, belongs to one tribe, no photos in his album, just say that allan holdsworth is a the bottom of the musical food chain???, i can't quite tell, cuz none of his statements make any sense.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:07 PMAll hail the all-knowing Dr Dave. Obviously a man of education and good taste. Oh, the pain of your sardonic mis-spelled wit. I am cut to the bone.
BTW, I would never buy a guitar without having laid my hands on it, no matter what make or price, as I know that identical models of guitars can flucuate in quality. This comes from playing for over 30 years now and having owned dozens of guitars of varying qualities. So I am basing my opinion on an Esteban guitar that I have actually played. And it was a piece of shit. No amount of truss adjustment would have magically transformed it into a quality guitar. That was a few years ago. Maybe they've gotten better. I doubt it.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 9:45 PMyou all are idiots. none of you have seen him play in person a have fuck nut, and he fuckin rips. It has been years but he used to play at the hyatt in scottsdale ( thats in az for you obvios dumb fucks). dr. dave you and any one who has seen him play knows. yeah you thisn he is going to play a 200 dollar guitar like that on stage FUCK NO. but thats no what itia for, it is for kids or adults that are just beginning. I am not going to sit on this discussion and bulshit you like the rest of you dumb shits and obviosly LYING out your ass about how long you have been playing. I have benn playing for 7 yrs and any one who has a little experience and have played nice guitars and beginner guitars knows the diff. yeah he hypes it up a little but so are all bull shit artist. like I said I have been playing for 7 yrs and i guarantee i will shred any of you (I HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS AND THIS GUITAR SUCKS) you suck dildo. SO TO YOU DAVE WHO SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS SEEN HIM PLAY LIVE KEEP ROCKIN BRA AND FUCK THES IDIOTS....... -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 10:54 PMyour such a dildo i dont thik any one spell checks on blogs............... but I do have to agree on not buying shit till you have played it........ -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:04 PMYea its DR. Dave to you . You know something Rick your retarded . You think you know it all . But need to grow up . Also for you idiots that have to be grammar correct . Wow I did not know we had to turn our papers over to loosers . Yea loosers .It seems like Eddie and I are the only ones that know how to play guitar and work on them . Ha . Also Theo . I did not mean that the inexperienced should do the adjustments . But if you know something about guitars then you should go ahead. You must be another lame guitar player. I did play with a big band name. Where di you think Kiss got there black diamond song . Buzzz . that hurts your head doesnt it you dumb @@@ssss. Have you ever played with a real Rock band . If not then shut up . But for two hundred dollars it is a good sounding guitar . But if you over adjust you can snap any guitar you poor degenerate fool . I have snaped a 800.00 guitar neck for a freind and payed for it . And Im not a troll you loosers . i own a recording company you trash piece of sh@t. You all look stupid talking crap you don't know anything about . Oh by the way . Why do I have to have a set of friends on here to post my comment . Your stupid for saying that too !!!! Fool . Well Dr. Dave Over and out to the loosers . Yea!!!!!!! -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:08 PMdave, you should add your alt, eddie as a friend!
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 6:50 AMyou might want to lay off the drugs dude... -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:18 AMSo here's another new identity, no pic, no friends, no other tribes, screaming at everyone in allcaps. So you used to ROCK at the Hyatt? Wow, what a high-end gig. Paid about forty bucks a night with two free drinks.
Oh that's right, you were talking about Esteban.
One more thing, there is no spell check here on tribe, but then I paid enough attention in grammar school to know how to spell right the first time. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:20 PMThis is a great thread!
So much opinion! So much shit slinging! And, defence of good grammar?!! Awesome!
Way more action than "Electric Guitar Forum", that's for sure!
I didn't know who Esteban was before, but I do now.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:23 PMyeah, this place all the sudden got fun. LOL -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:40 PMsee, and everyone always bitches about trolls : )
They can be entertaining
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:45 PMdude bro is like a freakin millionare from turning medical waste into so called guitars (just google "esteban guitar user reviews, i read several stories of the neck starting to split in half with the slightest attempt of adjusting the truss rod") and yet he can't pay enough for his moles that go on the internet and post defending his shitty guitars and instructional tapes to at least be articulate. the truth is esteban if you didn't keep sending trolls to respond to this thread it would have died a long time ago and it wouldn't come up on the first page when you do a web search esteban guitars. the truth is that you are a third rate lounge musician from Scottsdale in a freak'in zorro outfit who walks around lying to everyone that you studied with Andre Segovia... and that is just shameful..
yeah you rock dude,
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:00 PMyou're right bro my english sucks i am from spain, all i was getting at is that if you personally haven't seen anyone play you should't bag on there ability. I have seen him play, and it was just the fuckin hyatt, but the dude is an amazing guitarist. so poke fun of my english there proffesor
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:21 PMi just read your bio i did not know you where from n.y. makes since now. you are the kind of mother fucker who knows everything, talks mad shit, interupts people while there talking, dont open doors for people who are walking in behind you i know plenty of you worthless dildos out here in az, saying how bad ass it is back in "your stompin grounds". but you dont go back you stay here clutter our streets with your gold chains and your annoying accents, and for out here i have one to but the ladies love it not make fun of me behind my back, so if you got any friends out here tell them to come back cause we dont want you here GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:15 PMDude or dud go back to your hole in the ground. 1. Have you ever seen the man play , NO. Then shut the hell up . Oh thats right you have been sniffing glue again huh Theo. Ok little boy put the tube of glue down . I know you can do it . Estaban has alway had the flamingo players hat . You stupid fool . OOOPPS . You stupid piece of sh@t . And the instrument is not made with medical waiste . Your Gullable like the rest of the negetive pieces of Sh@t . -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 12:25 PMflamingo players hat
I tried to play a flamingo once . omigosh there were feathers everwhere !!!!!!!!! LOL :P -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 6:43 PM"tried to play a flamingo once . omigosh there were feathers everwhere !!!!"
heh heh heh heh...you know that wouldn't have happened if you had adjusted the flameingos truss rod correctly, and once the feathers come off you can't return it and get your money back. -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 7:02 PM<chuckle> heh good one -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:51 PMFlameingos have big peckers, and their nuts are always in need of care. Nothing to fret about though. Just pluck and finger as needed. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 10:07 AMHAHHHHH HAHHH HAHHH!!!!!!!!...... -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 10:20 AMol'esteban supposedly stopped studying with segovia because segovia was strickly classical and put his foot down when he wanted to start incorporate playing flamingos into his playing...
"i think i heard flamingo once...ya know in that movie winged migration." -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 12:53 PMThey're just better dancers than players. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 7:44 PM<bump> What, Deaddie shut up that easily? We were just starting to have fun! -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 8:12 PMwell in the mean time folks... here's a clip of tom from tomsguitarshow answering a listener question about his opinion of his zorroishness.
www.youtube.com/watch
if you haven't seen tom he has like 90 clips posted on youtube from his cable access show demonstrating and talking about really diverse guitar styles and topics. worth checking out. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 8:25 PMalso i just looked up the lyrics to the kiss song black diamond...and if it was written about him, well then it would seem that our beloved Dr."i own a record company" Dave had a former career as a prostitute....which might do a lot to explain his need to constantly channel all his anger into homosexual references. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 9:00 PMI have impressed so many people with the simplest of guitar licks you could imagine. Any body who has a basic command of the guitar can sound so good to those who don’t play. (any member of Kiss) Estaban can play pretty good, but no better than any good local act or any second or third year classical guitar student.
I’m sorry about his accident. There was a guy on another tribe (very credible) who saw him play some 20 years ago in Arizona and said he was awesome. The bottom line is, his guitars, and many like them, are just plain shit! I compare it to getting a keyboard at Walmart. You have this thing that plays notes, but you don’t have an instrument.
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 9:02 PMblack diamond: it's a type of coal. just a little tid bit from my endless pile of worthless information floating around in my head.
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 10:58 AMNo theo, I know Bassist Gene Simmons . Hum you must be as the stupid gets . I wish I lived right down the street from you . you piece of sh_t.When they came up with the song we were playing in a small nenue.He seen our name of our band and him and Paul came up with the song black diamond . Your funny!!!!!!!!!! You might want to go to Gene Simmons site and ask if he knows me . You big retard. You will feel foolish .
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:02 PMwhatever you wannabe beach boy... haha
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:07 PMYea retard the second. You know it just like rick huh. Try like 25,000 dollars you jerk off.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:53 PMwhatever metro do all the boys tell you how pretty you look. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:58 PMwell boys, go ahead tell me how pretty i look...
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:02 PMi didnt mean you i meant pretty boy rick thats probably at some hip bar having a cosmo -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:08 PM"bro" you should go start a power trio with Zamfir and Yanni. and quit pretending to be Zorro and shit.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:14 PM>i didnt mean you i meant pretty boy rick<
lol,
I'm glade to hear you find me so attractive, Zorro
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:23 PMyah ok riks sex shop boy, you know you take in the anus..... -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 8:29 PMand i thought LOL was for girls -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:04 PMhey "bro", maybe you should put the tube of model airplane glue down for a while. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:09 PMYea theo, You have been sniffing it haven't you. Thats why your a dumb @ss. You have done toooo many trips huh. You big shit pants looser. oops My bad sh@t Head looser. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:19 PMWhy do you hate the world dave?
Were you abused as a child? This thread has already gone to shit (kind of like your guitar) so might as well tell us what made you lose your mind?
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:24 PMwhhhaaaahhh! kiss never named a song after the fictitious 80's rock band i supposedly was in booo hooo hooo hooo!!!!!!!!.
hey what's the name of your record company then mr. fancypants?
so you dig kiss and estaban? is that your musical perspective? cus if it is there isn't much more i need to say.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:32 PMdave said "flamingo players hat"
what the heck is that?
flamingo
Pronunciation: fl&-'mi[ng]-(")gO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gos also -goes
Etymology: obsolete Spanish flamengo (now flamenco), literally, Fleming, German (conventionally thought of as ruddy-complexioned)
: any of several large aquatic birds (family Phoenicopteridae) with long legs and neck, webbed feet, a broad lamellate bill resembling that of a duck but abruptly bent downward, and usually rosy-white plumage with scarlet wing coverts and black wing quills
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 9:20 PMOk mr. Admiral Green of the good ship lolly pop. Im not a troll . I have also seen on other comment areas that you dont have the correct spelling and grammar Mr . Sh@t head teacher of the grammar world . The Guitar is a good instrument for beginners. You also can adjust the truss. I did adjustment on mine . I adjusted it 1 and 1/4 turn . It worked out fine. You all must be stupid MUSICIANS !!!!!!!!!LAMO's from DR. Dave -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:14 PMits plain and simple dave these guys dont appreciate music, yeah i said music, you pussys like whatever everyone else is listening to. and dave i can guarantee if the in thing was esteban these cum guzzling gutter sluts would say "yeah he shreds been listening to him for years". unlike you guys we appreciate music all music that doesnt mean we will sit and play the shit over and over like you retards that travel w/ the trend we can appreciate a good musician when we here them. that would include a pluthera " oops check my grammer" of music. yeah i am sur dave like myself would prefer a style of music and for me its not esteban but i can appreciate talent when i hear it. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:16 PMand buy the way she does have some sweeeeeet tits -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:17 PMtheo has probably 30 cds and only 5 bands are in his collection -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 5:31 AMwow, you (dave/eddie) continue to demostrate the ineptitude that i would expect from a esteban fan...
and to the other members of the tribe i apologize for engage in with this crass troll, i usually don't waste time on such things...it's just the whole esteban thing cracks me up. -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:23 AMGee Dr Dave, I am so impressed. You admit yourself to having fucked up a friend's $800 guitar by not knowing what the hell you were doing. Why would we even consider your opinion on any guitar? I wouldn't let you be in the same room with any of my axes. Just based on their attitude, I'd jam with Nels, Theo or Rik anytime. All you and your evil twin "eddie" have done here is convince us that you are:
1) Full of shit
2) The same person
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 11:29 AMOh BTW "eddie" as far as diversity of music, I am currently:
Playing weekly paid gigs as an acoustic solo (currently 130 songs on my playlist)
Working with a 5 piece band, jamming weekly and writing songs
About to go into the studio to lay some tracks for an R&B artist who has interest from Columbia records.
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 11:06 AMAdmiril , Ye right I called my friend James Thorton from Columbia records . Your the poser. He said Who???????? I said some dude that lost his brain said he was going to be writing songs and playing in a low life studio. I sent him a copy of this forum and he laughed at all of the stupid comments. He said grow up little children. Or stop dring you alkees!!!!. Oh he said never heard of you sorry for the poser or hoser.
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Tue, February 27, 2007 - 7:54 PMhey Admi has anyone ever told you that they fart to make you smell better. or in your case sound better you know you suck . wannabe living in reno... " iplay in a five piece band and we play gigs" so does the high school kid who lives next door to me at the ymca FOR FREE just like you so shutup and keep playin the only instrument you know how to the SKIN FLUTE......... -
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Wed, February 28, 2007 - 6:50 PMI think if Eddie & Dr. Dave were nicer, they might have more friends. They fact that they haven't even "friended" each other really says something......
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Fri, March 2, 2007 - 6:41 PMWhatever... now this is just boring. later -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:53 AMI think "Dr." Dave is pissed off because he bought an Estaban guitar and then read this thread.... he was wondering why he wasn't getting any better so he looked it up and found that his guitar was cardboard.... basically he got screwed over and now he's trying to convince himself that the guitar is good and that he will learn regardless.... so he's not really "yelling" at anyone but himself...
Hell what do you expect of someone that goes sees bands in hotels... I prefer mine at bigger venues :) That's probably because Eddie/Dave is approximately 12 years old and Mother won't let him go very far from the trailer park. So he spends his nights looking on the internet how to spell big words and looking for names of people that work at Columbia Records!!
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 7:58 PMSo...... Anybody seen Estaban lately???
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Thu, February 21, 2008 - 6:35 PMProposition:
> I have been a guitar player for 30 years . I have played since 12 years old.
Contradicting evidence:
> Holdsworth is a made up President of a small company
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Fri, March 7, 2008 - 1:49 PMMAN, I wish I was active in this tribe when this thread was going on. Dr. Dave and Alt Eddie are just so precious I want to take them home and have them put on a talent show for me. -
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Sat, March 8, 2008 - 4:15 AMya it was really fun roasting that jackass.
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 8:32 AMSo....... Whatever to happened to "Esteban" is he real or not? I just have to know. -
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Sun, September 13, 2009 - 9:38 PMThis is my first contribution to your web pages-I hope all the members enjoy it!
Esteban is indeed a mystery to me. But my mystery as to who Esteban really is was made a little clearer this past two months. I tried to book Esteban to appear at my music studio to sign CDs, and his guitar chord book. I have ALWAYS been given a "run-around"!! It seemed to me that he was avoiding the situation.
Then I discovered your websites asking the important question "Is Esteban a fictional character?" At first I didn't want to believe the web pages. But when I asked for a signed picture for my studio. AGAIN I GOT THE "RUN-AROUND"!!!
I now agree with most of your web site contributors!!
Is there room for doubt? YES!! But when I am told it may take a few months to get a signed photo, I thought "WOW! If he is NOT a fictional character, then there must be something VERY VERY WRONG if it takes MONTHSD to send a simple signed photo!!
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Tue, September 15, 2009 - 3:39 PMEsteban is a GOD among mere mortals
His rills and riffs across his fretboard are so brilliant and masterful that they make Tommy Emmanuel look like a piker.
Esteban makes Andreaus Segovia seem like a child struggling with a new and difficult toy.
Esteban's musical accomplishments make John Phillips Sousa seem like the Beatles.
Here listen to this pathetic nonsense:
www.youtube.com/watch
Esteban can run circles around that rank amateur - right?
The bloody damn fool can't even stay oin the same page
www.youtube.com/watch
DISGRACEFUL~!!!
Esteban an stay on the same page.
PROOF that Este ( ooops) Stephen Paul is the world's best picker.
Yah that's his name . He was a steel worker in PA when the mills played out he needed a new gig.
The claims that he studied under Andrés Torres Segovia are more than likely false.
Segovia died at 94 in 1987. He had students but they were people like John Williams.
Stevie Paul was just a hanger on wannabe. It is unlikely that he could have persuaded some one of Segovia's status to give him guitar lessons
As an aside: John Williams didn't think all that highly of Segovia.\\
However, back to Este- (oops) Stephen Paul: He is a plucky little fuker. After the mills died he made his living in music on a variety of formats as a keyboardist and band member and finally as the QVC star.
The QVC deal was probably more of a blessing for Paul than it was a curse. Yah Yah every poor bastard who got one of his hundred dollar Chinese guitars cursed his name but he made a shit load of money doing the QVC gig.
Who would pass that up?
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 2:24 PMThink about it. His "music" ( such has it is) may be a pack of uninspired tedious retreading of other people's material but the man took an ability to pluck a string and turned it into a very good income.
In the end Paul has proved to be a superbly good self promoter.
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 11:34 AMThink of Esteban as you might Rachael Ray.
Entirely shallow, without merit, pure show and fluff.
The stupid bimbo can't even cook.
Yet somehow she manages to get a book deal, a TV show, and put bacon on the table.
That's how I see Esteban.